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Mike Miller

Mike Miller has been msnbc.com's college basketball editor since 2003. It's a position he relishes; no wonder considering he transferred to Kansas to watch Paul Pierce play. Most of his favorite sports memories involve college hoops, usually during March, when every waking moment is spent thinking about March Madness.



Kentucky's loss typical for November

Posted: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:05 AM
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The sky isn’t falling in Lexington, Kentucky fans. A loss to Gardner-Webb just feels that way.

There’s no glee or Schadenfreude behind that sentence, either. I may think Tubby Smith got the short end of the stick, but that doesn’t mean I can’t empathize with an unexpected, frustrating loss. Every fan can. Just last season, my Jayhawks lost at home to Oral Roberts, Old Dominion handed Georgetown its first on-campus loss since 1982, and Missouri State shocked Wisconsin.

And those were all losses by Top 10 teams. To have No. 22 Kentucky lose -- even at home -- is surprising, but only because Kentucky's tradition. If No. 25 Kansas State loses its opener on Friday, there won't be the same reaction.

Also, this was a week where Michigan State and Ohio State lost to D-II schools, remember. There are always worse levels of embarrassment.

(Seriously, this happens every season, and usually in November. Just yesterday I was reminded of a 2003 Kansas loss at Nevada. That was Bill Self’s first season at Kansas and me and my buddy Jeff were ready to drive to Chapel Hill and force Roy Williams to return to Lawrence, no questions asked. But I digress.)

The Wildcats, to quote coach Billy Gillispie, “got our tails whipped,” and ruined any chance Kentucky of showing off its new coach and fab freshman Patrick Patterson in NYC next week, but maybe it’s a good thing. Losses like this help a team focus.

After all, Gillispie won his Kentucky debut, then said UK had plenty of work to do, particularly on defense. Senior Joe Crawford played sparingly in the opener vs. Central Arkansas. Same with stud freshman Alex Legion. A loss like this never sits well with fans or coaches, but in different ways.

Fans can be outraged, while Gillispie is only concerned about the program as a whole, not just one game. He’ll play whoever earns the time.

In the long run -- we’re talking NCAA Tournament titles here, not early season rankings -- that’ll pay off, and Gillispie knows it.

Central Arkansas v Kentucky
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Kentucky coach Billy Gillispie couldn't get his team to play enough defense vs. Gardner-Webb.

More encouraging is that initial message board fan reaction leans that way. (Except for one comment on this game thread. This wasn’t Chaminade over Virginia and Ralph Sampson.) Some blame the players, some blame Tubby for leaving the cupboard bare. And some do blame Gillispie.

Mostly, the loss shows Kentucky can’t have a bad night and still win, like some Wildcat teams have in the past. As March Madness has shown in recent years, that gap between majors and mid-majors closes more each season. Gardner-Webb may not make the NCAA Tournament (the Atlantic Sun doesn’t have a Davidson or VCU that’ll dominate, but the Bulldogs will have their work cut out for them), but the only real loss out of Wednesday is Kentucky’s NCAA Tournament seed.

This is still a team that will play in the Big Dance. The ‘Cats may not beat North Carolina, Indiana, Louisville or even Houston, but they'll be at least .500 in SEC play and probably end up as a 6 or 7 seed.

Even in future seasons when Gillispie molds Kentucky into a legitimate Top 25 team, more losses like this may occur. That’s life in college hoops nowadays.

But wait for March. That’s all that really matters, right?

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Obviously you are not a UK basketball fan.  A loss such as this is absolutely incredulous.  I will always support the 'Cats, whether they win national championships or don't win a game.  But, it is embarrassing when your alma mater falls flat on its face like this.  Oh, well, it's a long time to March.
While it's never good for a major D-I team to lose to a D-II team, it isn't reasonable to consider Michigan State's or Ohio State's losses in exhibition games to be worse than this loss during the season.
"The ‘Cats may not beat North Carolina, Indiana, Louisville or even Houston"

Then again......... The season just started!
GO BIG BLUE
In what way did Tubby Smith get the short end of the stick?  The guy was paid $2 million a year to put up 10 losses.  At least 8 too many for the Kentucky Wildcats.  He coached in Lexington, basketball capital of the universe.  Tubby Smith belongs in Minnesota-Good Bye!  Sure, losses happen, and they especially will for Coach G, because we have a horrible bunch of returning players from the Tubby Era.  Once Billy Clyde gets his players here, UK will be back.
We miss Tubby already. At least with Tubby, UK will have played some D. Having said all that, every true blue knows that things will get worse before they will get better.
Go Bulldogs!! (from a Gardner-Webb alum)
A minor bump in the road, GO CATS!
Nevada, Missouri St., Old Dominion, Oral Roberts - all true mid-major programs with excellent coaching and players that can play at high major schools.

Gardner-Webb - none of the above.  Ranked #300 in Sagarin last year.  On Kentucky's home court.  By 16 pts in a game they never trailed.

Sorry, but this doesn't happen every year.  All the examples listed were top 100 teams.  The A-Sun was 0-34 against BCS teams last year, and most of its teams rank in the lower reaches of D1.  This is an ENORMOUS upset.  

We talk about it here:
http://rushthecourt.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/is-firebillygillispiecom-up-yet/
Gardner-Webb doesn't have the pedigree of those others, true. But that may change. The Bulldogs are moving out of the Atlantic Sun to the Big South next season (where last year's mid-major darling, Winthrop, and the nation's highest-scoring team, VMI, reside) and with UConn and Clemson on the schedule, shouldn't we reserve judgment until we learn just how good Gardner-Webb is? And Kentucky for that matter? After all, the season just started.
Note to Billy Clyde:
Sit Ramel Bradley and Joe Crawford!!

Question for Orlando Smith:
Why didn't you take these two with you when you bolted for Minnesota?  By the way, thanks for leaving, our memories of you will be few.  Mainly to include using Ricky P's players to win your only national championship that you will EVER win.  Thanks also for leaving UK in nearly as bad of shape as the program was in after the Eddie Sutton fiasco.  Thanks also for allowing North Carolina to get within striking distance of the all time wins lead.  Thanks Tubby, thanks.  
I enjoy rushthecourt's praise of Old Dominion...maybe because I'm an ODU alum. Watch out for the Monarchs in 07-08!
Some of these comments are hilarious. The basketball equivalent to Notre Dame football fans: Everything is the old coach's fault, times will be so much better now that he's gone, etc.
Billy Ball is great to watch. Just remember you heard it here ... he will never get the players you want b/c his recruiting ties are rooted in Texas primarily ... His Texas ties are drying up b/c most of the HS Coaches wanted him to stay in the state or at least the Big 12 Conf.

Also know this ... the impatient fans at UK will give him 2 seasons tops ... hide and watch. The other sad news UK basketball is at best a Top 15-35 Program in the country ... they are no longer part of the elite ... UNC, DUKE, FLORIDA, UCLA - UK is not in this class and won't be for at least 2 years. I hope fans will give Billy the time ... b/c he is awesome.
I remember 01-02 when Carolina went 8-20. The first game, we lost to Hampton. Then I was at the next game when we lost to Davidson. It did not take long to realize the season was lost. We'll see hhow UK responds. If it's not a blowout win the next game, they are in big trouble.
tubby needs to come back
It's tough for a Kentucky fan to accept any loss - especially one to a team that a lot of us have never even heard of.  But, Mike Miller is right, in the real world (not crazy Big Blue world) this is no big deal and the coach will obviously use this as a great teaching opportunity- that could pay off down the road even more than a win at this point.  Tubby was/is a great coach, I'm still in the "wait and see" with Billy G.    
Missouri State beating Wisconsin is in no way similar to this game! MSU was snubbed the year before from the NCAA tournament, what did G-Webb do last year? Win 9 games? Missouri State was again snubbed last year, so once again, it's not similar at all.
Mike:  You hate UK.  Admit it.  And you use this site to bash UK fans and the program.  Tubby got the short end of the stick?  Puuuleeeasse!  You're a typical KU fan... you like to get your licks in when folks are down, like when you and that fraud Roy Williams ran up the score on Traitor Ricks team.  You disgust me.  When you graduate high school, try to go to college and learn how to write something useful.  


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