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Mike Miller

Mike Miller has been NBCSports.com's college basketball editor since 2003. It's a position he relishes; no wonder considering he transferred to Kansas to watch Paul Pierce play. Most of his favorite sports memories involve college hoops, usually during March, when every waking moment is spent thinking about March Madness.



Duke beats Carolina, but doubts linger

Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:50 PM
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Duke looked every bit like a No. 1 seed in the NCAA Tournament in an 89-78 road victory against North Carolina on Wednesday.

The Blue Devils (20-1) hit 13-of-29 three-pointers, made five fewer turnovers in a raucous Dean Dome and their defense hounded UNC’s Wayne Ellington (16.2 ppg) and Danny Green (12.1 ppg) into a nightmarish shooting night. Combined, they were 4-of-24 from the field for 11 points. Without point guard Ty Lawson, UNC’s offense never got on track despite 28 points from Tyler Hansbrough.

In short, Duke looked like Duke. And Duke’s been a No. 1 seed eight of the last 10 seasons. A game like that will go a long way to making it nine of 11.

But that brushes over the nagging thought from Wednesday’s game: If Duke played that great and UNC only lost by 11 points, does that mean Duke’s hit its ceiling?

That is, if the Devils play UNC – or another team with Carolina’s depth and balance, like Memphis, Kansas, UCLA or Georgetown –in the NCAA Tournament, what are the odds they make 13 threes? Or benefit by playing an injured or struggling team?

After all, it seems strange to think that Duke is a team without room for error when March rolls around because that kind of hot shooting doesn’t last.

(Consider a team like Tennessee, which wore down perimeter-oriented Florida on Tuesday. The Vols are long, athletic and relentless on the perimeter. As good as Duke is, it’s hard to believe they’d get the same looks beyond the arc.)

That probably comes off as Duke bashing, but there’s no other way to put it. Duke looked great against Carolina (21-2). It made plays when needed, hit shots and free throws down the stretch and basically owned Carolina. That’s a helluva win. The Devils were aggressive and energetic and it showed in the final score. That’s something to be proud of and relish until the rematch in Cameron.

“They’re pretty special right now,” Blue Devils coach Mike Krzyzewski said afterward. “We know who we are. We’re a very unconventional team. We’re not a strong physical team, but we are strong team emotionally, a real together group.

“You have to hope you don’t get killed by a team for a stretch by their strength. You have to find a way and because we have versatile players we’ve been able to do that so far.”

Coach K knows what he has. He’s set up a Phoenix Suns-like offense that relies on dribble penetration and kick outs for threes (pretty much what Duke’s done for years), making his squad deadly when it hits those shots.

Yet, Duke surely knows it didn’t get Carolina’s best game.

“It was just one of those nights,” Ellington said. “We couldn’t get the ball to fall.”

Without Lawson, UNC struggled in transition and had trouble getting players like Green and Ellington open looks. Credit goes to Duke’s defense, but Lawson’s absence was apparent throughout. Would he be worth 11 points? Almost certainly.

This isn’t to say Carolina will win in Durham if Lawson’s healthy. The Heels will have to improve that perimeter defense – like Duke’s gonna stop shooting – and ensure Green and Ellington don’t start slow. And even all that may not be enough.

But it’s enough to sew doubt in my mind about Duke. In March, being one-dimensional is just too risky.

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Goodness gracious.  Duke wins by 11, over a #3 UNC, on the ROAD, and you're worried they've maxed out?  Keep in mind that the tournament games will be on neutral floors.  If Lawson is worth 11 points (possible, but not certain) how much was home court worth?  Why aren't you asking how much worse the margin would have been for UNC had this game been held at Cameron?  I'm not a Duke fan, but your analysis is a bit weak, IMO.
Well its "sow" doubt and just Duke bashing on your part.  Duke kept out of foul trouble and played on their terms in a difficult venue.  The Duke coaching staff out-coached UNC's.  A very multi-dimensional team as they have showed all year.  You are just engaging in wishful thinking.  
If this is not Duke bashing, I don't know what it is!
On any given night any top 10 team playing another can loss. Duke played better than the team they played against last night and won. Memphis plays nobody most of the year. I hear no Memphis bashing.
I've been watching Duke games on TV for 20+ years. Mike wins a lot, looses a few, and is one coach I would NEVER bet against. Supposition aside, who would?
Mike, only a classic Duke-hater can find flaw in an 11-point road win vs the #3 team in the country, in the most intense rivalry in the nation.  You seemed to fail to mention the free throw disparity throughout the entire game until the last few minutes when UNC began fouling or the awful calls that went UNC's way all night (Paulus clearly dribbling ball off UNC player's foot, UNC's ball).  While I agree Duke may be reliant on the 3-ball, they are not one dimensional...you forgot about defense.  UNC's defense pails in comparison to Duke's...that is half the game.
Really think Duke hit their ceiling by "only" winning by eleven?  At the Dean Dome?  Against UNC?  While shooting below 60% free throws?  Duke was without one of their big guys due to injury, by the way, yet no mention of that.  Duke might not have a superstar, but they have a team with excellent  players and depth at every position.  They won't always hit 13 3-pointers, but they've shown this season they can overcome their deficiencies and win.
Duke hit 13 threes.  That equals 39 points.  They scored 89 points (break-aways off steals, dunks, flashes in the paint, bank shots, spin moves underneath, etc., etc.).  How one-dimensional is that?

(BTW did you notice the smothering defense?  It gives a few added dimensions to Duke's game.)
Duke came in with a plan to beat Carolina.  If Lawson was there the plan may have been a little different but as Duke has shown in many of their games they have a number of talented players that bring different weapons to the game.  Coach K seems to be able to utilize his player's strengths to come up with winning solutions to combat his opponents previously successful strategies.  Duke - One-Dimensional - not in the least.  Carolina now has two convincing homecourt losses because their best (and maybe only significant) weapon is Psycho Hansborough.  IMHO Carolina is one dimensional and Gary Williams and Coach K were able to recognize this and exploited it.  My prediction - Duke is the National Champion in April!
They managed to win in Chapel Hill against a really good UNC team.  Granted, UNC couldn't seem to find the basket at the end, and the free throw shooting was horrible for them but they were at home, with the crowd FOR them.  I can't see how they'll fare much better in Durham for the rematch.
people like you need to wake up.  How can you still doubt Duke?  Duke has wins over Marquette, Wisconsin, @ UNC, @ Maryland, Virgnina, NC State...need i go any further?  What does duke have to do to hush the doubters?  Duke has the best coach in the game and a bunch of mcdonald's all-americans.  So stop doubting and pull your head out of your you know what
What game were you watching?  You think this was Duke playing at its best?  Of course beating UNC warrants calling it a good game for Duke, but Duke at times looked terrible.  I can recall at least a couple of 3-4 minute stretches when Duke didn't score.  Demarcus Nelson had to sit out or play softly with his foul situation for most of the game.  Free throw shooting was 59% for the game.  And there were some terrible errors at the end of the 1st half and especially the end of the 2nd half that kept UNC in it.  How about a little less biased journalism next time.
We're maxed out?! You say that after we beat a Carolina team that isn't as good as everyone predicted, with or without Lawson. They have struggled to squeek by in several games, where as Duke is pretty well determining the outcomes of their games with 10 minutes left. We'll do just fine against Memphis, Kansas or UCLA given the chance. I hope people keep on not giving Duke one, it's makes the victories that much sweeter.
The thing that nobody realizes is that the production from other players was there.  Green and Ellington had a bad night, but Ginyard had 3 times the offense of normal and Thomas added as well.  Take in the fact that Hansborough went beyond his averages and they played considerably close to their usual selves.  Some turnovers would be decreased and both teams were semi-shaky on the line.  The truth is that Duke is deeper and can run them out of the gym.  They will always get beat inside, but Lance stepped up his game tremendously and the same mismatches that help UNC's inside game, help Duke's outside game.  Give them some credit!
I like your analysis.  If Duke isn't hitting all those threes, they lose by 10.  And as far as home court goes, Chapel Hill isn't exactly Rupp Arena.  Go Cats!!!
As a Tarheel, had a bad feeling about this game without Lawson.  Mike Miller nailed it though.  Heels got out-hustled and out-shot but were in it till the last minute against a hot #2 Dook team.  No, great coaching is staying in the game with your 4th string point guard till your 3rd string settles down.  This is a very athletic (but typical) Coach K team-- smart, good shooting and ball handling, pressure defense.  And typically, they seem to be living by the three again and lack any kind of post presence.  Not a prescription for winning it all come march.
Nice Duke bash, you need to seriously get a clue. They dominate the #3 team in the country on the road, and you have doubts? What more would you have Duke do? As K said "We are what we are". And they are very good at it. Your envy is not very becoming.
Well your article has made many good points as far as UNC missing their PG, I mean let's not forget how important this position is in college basketball. However, I must say that Duke pretty much did what they wanted to, inside and out. They aren't one dimensional because of their defense, they made some great defensive stops. Also, Thomas and Henderson scored pretty much at will underneath the basket. So I think this is a concern for UNC and their lack of defense instead of Duke being 1 dimensional.
C'mon. UNC was clearly the exposed one dimensional team. Have you heard about the sports talking heads saying Duke is one of the best (if not best) penetrating teams in the nation? That's WHY they get the open 3's. Defenses have to respect the penetration or they will be eaten alive that way. By the way, open 3's usually have a higher percentage than guarded 3's.
"WOW" is all I can say, Mike.  Did you actually watch the game last night or did you catch the highlights on ESPN?  If you ACTUALLY watched the game, is this the ONLY Duke game you've seen all year???  One-dimensional teams aren't 20-1 overall, 8-0 in the ACC, 4-0 on the ROAD in the ACC, #2 in the country with a Top 5 RPI.  One-dimensional teams aren't #5 in the country in offensive-efficiency, #6 in the country in defensive efficiency.  C'mon man, do your homework before you actually make yourself look like a fool.  
The fact is that Duke will be in every game from now until the end because of their shooting and, more importantly, their defense.

In today's world of NCAA hoops, that is all you can really hope for. Sure, Duke has some liabilities, but every other team does too.
Even if your logic were sound (which is isn't), you only account for one part of the equation: Duke.  In this specific game, they were afforded very few FT attempts until the necessary UNC fouls at the end of the game (for most of the game UNC had made almost 2X as many FT's as Duke, and attempted almost 3X).  In this game, the calls went UNC's way (typically Duke get's the calls; but not on this night).  While not as integral a part of the team's rotation, Zoubek is a legit post presence, and he's injured (Pocius is also injured, which could add 3-5 minutes of depth and legit 3-pnt shooting to the rotation in the event of foul troubles or fatique).  With this game being in UNC, even if Lawson is worth 29 pnts tops [(14pnts scored + (6 assists X 2.5)] homecourt has got to be worth something.  Factor in that with Lawson in there, the game play out totally differently: Thomas' points give you a net 7 for Lawson (Thomas gets you 3 instead of 10 with less minutes played), and Ginyard doesn't score 9 above his season average with fewer minutes played less looks.  Add it all up and Duke still wins (or has a chance to late).  And as well as Duke shot from the 3-pnt line, they were terrible from the FT line most of night.
Another flaw in your logic is the idea that if Duke plays Memphis, Kansas, Georgetown, Tennessee, etc... in March, that they won't do as well from 3-pnt range.  They have quite a few games this season with 10+ 3's, and have won most of their games when they've been terrible from 3.  The one loss they had to Pitt, could have been a Duke win had they made a couple lay-ups or shot better from FT.  The point of all this is that with their depth and athleticism on the perimeter, they play exceptional D.  You can't assume that all those teams will have an average/above average effort, while Duke plays poorly.  Duke has the depth, perimeter D, willingness and abiliy to play hard for 40-minutes, spread offense and shooting to compete with anyone, anywhere.  I'm not saying they will be National Champs or anything like that, but don't be surprised if they show up at the Final Four.  Most important, don't expect a first round exit from the ACC or NCAA Tourny's.
Learn how to spell/write moron -- it's "sow," as in planting seeds of doubt, not "sew" as in seamstress work. That's it. You're fired.  
I'm not sure where Duke really stands nationally, but they are significantly better than UNC:

1.  Note only did they beat UNC by ll, Duke has beaten ACC teams by 10 points that UNC has lost or barely beaten (and those were games UNC was full strength).

2.  Duke's reliance on the three is not one dimensional;  JJ was one dimensional, 7 guys that can shoot the three is not one dimensional.

3.  Defense wins games and championships; Duke's is great, UNC has struggled all year.

Duke is vulnerable on the low post because they have to double team and play aggressive defense which means they foul.  It seemed like half the team had 4 fouls by the end of the game.  If they are to go deep in the tourney, Duke will have to address that problem.  You have to expect at least a couple of overtime games in March and it doesn't bode well if half the team in on the bench.
Kansas would and will destroy both of them if and when they meet this year....
To be honest, the outcome should/could have been alot worse!   UNC got 5 points off turnovers in the final minute, which hasn't happened to Duke all season.  Both teams missed 11 ft's also, so keep that in mind.  Here's a question:

With Lawson in the line-up, does Duke still score 89?  I say they do, so it's UNC's defense that is at fault.     Also, so what they made 13 three pointers!   They average 10 made three's a game, so it's not far off their average.

Did you mention that Demarcus Nelson had a terrible game...Duke's leading scorer.  He was sitting with foul trouble throughout the game.   Don't let his point total fool you, he got 6 ft's in the final minute to end up with 11.   Nolan Smith played with a sprained knee and wasn't 100 percent and 7'2 Zoubek was out.
Well said Dan from Seattle.

Duke also plays in the toughest conference in the country. Winning consistently there has to count for something.
There must be some deep-seated hostility against Duke on your part to belittle an artful and athletic win against the arch rival Carolina on their very loud and large home court, the Dean Dome.  Caroline might have suffered without Lawson, but isn't Hansbrough supposed to be so good that he can surmount anything? Everybody hates Duke because they are jealous of them. But you have to admit they turn out great scholar athletes and gentlemanly players on a consistent basis.
As a Duke grad and fan, I think Mike has a point. Not so much that Duke has maxed out, but the need to play so close to its best to win against the tough competition.  For some reason, Coach K hires guards as assistants and he rarely has really good big men.  When he does, he wins championships (Laettner, Boozer).  Look at what LSU did to Duke a few years ago. You can't get out-rebounded every game and win consistently against the elite team.
I kind of agree with the article. Not that Duke didn't play well...they played a great game. But at the end of the day...it was a 5 point game with just under a minute left when UNC started fouling intentionally. Like someone said earlier, Lawson doesnt impact the defense so much...but he does DEFINITELY impact the offense. Without him UNC averages like 75 pts/game while with him in there they average over 91. That's a huge spread.
Duke plays great defense and they can def shoot the 3. I dont buy the argument though that they were 'lights out' that game....they hit about what they average on a given night anyway (10-11).
I say that with Lawson, UNC had about a 65% chance of winning while without him it was more like 15%.
Either way Duke played well. Good game....the rematch is going to be great!
For the kansas fan. You will not win for the same reason you have not won the past 2 years with the most talented team in the nation:Bil Self. You can't screen and roll everytime someone gets the ball. Also for our writer friend, Get a clue. Duke is more athletic and deeper than it has in the past few years. Add the K factor and you have a very dangerous team.
As a Duke grad, we knew we had height limitations going in.  This team has overachieved and has been the most fun Duke team to watch in a couple of years.  If we don't win it all, that's fine, but I was expecting 10+ losses this year and a sweep by UNC this year, so I'll take this win and whatever criticisms folks may have and enjoy the ride.
Honestly it's a Duke vs. UNC game which means it is pretty useless to analyze especially if you are just looking at the point spread.  Most games between these two teams are close year after year even if there is a big talent disparity.  Any one game analysis of a team's strengths or weaknesses can be thrown out of the window for the most part, but a Duke/UNC game is definitely useless for analysis purposes.

This being said Duke will run into trouble in the NCAA tourney without the presence of strong and consistent big men.  Historically Duke has never won an NCAA championship without at least two NBA caliber big men on board.  Duke three point shooters also have a history of going cold in march during the big dance.  Having a lot of legit 3 ball shooters helps mitigate this, but the fact remains without the big men stepping up their game Duke probably won't win it all.
Total Duke bashing, Duke was in slow down mode at the end of the game, they could have pushed over 100 points if they needed to, with better free throw shooting, even better.  UNC wasn't cold from the perimeter, Duke defense was hounding them and shutting them down, late in the game they had some open shots but they were so used to having to rush their shots to get them off that they were still missing.  Nelson got pulled out some early for foul trouble, still no problem, Duke has a 7 footer who will be back to give them some size inside when they need it, he won't be a huge impact but it will help.  Duke has five or six three point shooters, how often will all of them get cold.  You really underestimate Duke, they are a real #1 seed, UNC has played two top 25 teams all year, Duke and Clemson, one loss, one overtime win.  UNC is not a #1 seed, I think by the end of the year, UNC is a #3 in the tourneyment at best.
Do you know a damn thing about sports?  To question an eleven point victory over UNC in Chapel Hill, a team  that many considered number one at times and currently is number three, tells me that you truly are a dumb ass.
Have you ever been to Chapel Hill or Cameron Stadium?
Mike...your analysis of the game and if DUKE is tapped out,, sounds like a 4 yr old writer.  And I take it that LAWSON ois already ALL AMERICA..ALL WORLD basketball player. Wasn't he in the game wehn Maryland beat them?  and didn't Duke beat Maryland with not a lot of trouble?  C'mon you can do better than the article that you wrote. If not they need to fire you
Where are ALL the Dook fans now after the last two losses? Seems to me that Mr. Mike Miller knew WTF he was talking about!  I especially like this quote....

"After all, it seems strange to think that Duke is a team without room for error when March rolls around because that kind of hot shooting doesn’t last"....

Bottom line, Dook has been exposed and will NOT make it past the Sweet 16 again!


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