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Mike Miller

Mike Miller has been msnbc.com's college basketball editor since 2003. It's a position he relishes; no wonder considering he transferred to Kansas to watch Paul Pierce play. Most of his favorite sports memories involve college hoops, usually during March, when every waking moment is spent thinking about March Madness.



Kansas won its prize, but what about its Self?

Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:41 AM
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Bill Self’s “remarkable week” turned into extraordinary on Monday night. In a few days, extraordinary could turn into extravagant. But that’s how the game’s played for the newest coach atop college basketball’s mountaintop.

Amazing how quickly things change.

A little more than a week ago, the fifth-year Kansas coach was still seen as one of the “best coaches to never reach the Final Four.” A narrow escape against Davidson ended that.

It set up a showdown against the tournament’s top seed, North Carolina, led by none other than ex-Jayhawks coach and longtime fan favorite Roy Williams. If there was a must-win game for the good of Kansas basketball, this was it. One wild win later, the Selfesteem rose even more.

After Kansas’ overtime win against Memphis, it’s sky high. Good things do indeed come in threes. (Especially if you’re Self watching Mario Chalmers shoot his way into NCAA Tournament lore.)

I'll  be  honest,  I  don't  know  how  I'm  gonna  feel  about  this  totally  just  yet  because  I'm  a  little  in  shock  and  a  little overwhelmed,” Self said Monday.

That’s easy to understand since he knows Kansas’ hoops history and its March shortcomings.

Self cheered from the cheap seats at Kemper Arena in K.C., Mo. the last time the Jayhawks won the NCAA Tournament. Previously an assistant for then-KU coach Larry Brown, Self knew how much the school longed for another crown. When he took over for Williams in 2003, KU had been to four Final Fours and two championship games since winning it all in 1988. No titles to speak of.

In four seasons, Self took KU to two Elite Eights sandwiched around two humiliating first-round losses. In the meantime, Williams won a title with UNC. To say Kansas fans didn’t take it well would be an understatement.

“It’s a great responsibility to be the head coach at Kansas,” he said before the title game. “It’s a program with unbelievable pride, with terrific fans. It’s a way of life. There’s so much passion and people care so much.”

Yet, if the pressure built around Self, he simply responded by building the nation’s deepest, most balanced team and watched them bury all those previous failures by stunning Memphis. Kansas fans can breathe easy.

For a few days, at least. The bidding for Self’s services is about to begin.

When Oklahoma State coach Sean Sutton resigned last week, it was clear Self was the school’s dream coach. He’s an Oklahoma native, played for the Cowboys and was a graduate assistant under Eddie Sutton.

But even more than the school ties – a deciding factor when Williams left for Carolina – is that Oklahoma State also reportedly has money to sweeten the deal. Lots of money. Lottery–type money.

Self’s Kansas salary is about $1.4 million annually, which will be boosted this season thanks to Final Four and championship bonuses. He’ll soon meet with KU athletics director Lew Perkins and they’ll talk about a well-deserved raise at a job he loves.

It would be a small miracle to match the $3.5 million Oklahoma State is reportedly prepared to offer Self, to say nothing of the $6 million signing bonus. With that kind of dough, he’d be a fool not to listen.

And Self’s no fool. The man knows when to double-team Derrick Rose, when to go to a three-guard lineup and when to ride a freshman center until he drops. He refused to talk about Oklahoma State last week, but never ruled it out. Monday night, he did the same.

I’m not going to say that couldn’t potentially happen, because I guess it potentially can.”

Is it strange to think that a coach coming off a national title at one of the country’s premier programs would leave?

After all, he’ll be revered by the Kansas faithful and, since he's only 45, he could certainly build onto his already impressive legacy at the school. This is where James Naismith coached, where Phog Allen and Larry Brown won titles and where Williams established his legend. Self could conceivably top them all. Is strange to leave?

In a word, no.

It's not all about the money. Oklahoma State may not be one of the premier programs – Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, UCLA are the fab four, with Kansas and Indiana right behind – but it’s not like Self would be going to coach N.J. Tech. OK State is the third-best program in the Big 12 -- and that's after missing the Big Dance three straight seasons.

The Cowboys have a proud hoops tradition of their own (the first school to win back-to-back NCAA titles). Before Kansas’ run this season, the Cowboys were the last Big 12 team to make the Final Four in 2004. Eddie Sutton built the team into a competitive, occasional contender by preaching defense. A recruiter like Self would do even better. (A title in Stillwater isn't out of the question, but it'd take a helluva class.)

And if there’s boatloads of money involved, it falls to Self to decide what’s more important to him: Continuing your run at Kansas and making lots of money, or trying to re-build your alma mater and make tons of money.

Self-ish or Self-less? Depends on your point of view. As a Kansas graduate, I hope Self stays. I would understand the draw of coaching your alma mater and a big payday to boot. It sucks, but I understand.

(The prevailing thought around Lawrence if he leaves will likely be, "Well, at least he gave us a title before he left." Anything to take a shot at Roy.)

Either way, the game’s newest coaching superstar is about to make his big week even bigger. And good for him. He's earned it.

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Bill Self is a great coach and recruiter as proven by his recruits at Tulsa, Illinois and Kansas and his championship at Kansas. The coach at a school has 50% of the recruiting power and the schools basketball tradition has 50%. Oklahoma State is currently not one of the schools where athletes want to go. Self may go to OK State for the money but would not likely win a national championship there.
Bill´s a good man. I can understand the lure of going home. But then again, he could drive down anytime he wanted to.
I hope Bill stays at KU also.  No matter how much cash is offered, OSU's program will NEVER be thought of at the same level as KU's.  But, any human would have a hard time turning down the kind of cash OSU and Pickens are going to offer Bill.  Unlike KU's prior coach, Bill has been honest about the possibility of a change and has not misled anyone.  I hope that KU can come up with enough cash that when combined with being a part of it's storied program will allow Bill to stay.  Whatever he decides, I wish him well and appreciate what he has done (and will hopefully continue to do in the future)for KU.
Kansas should own up and pay Self.  And if he still wants to go, fine, let him,.  I bet a certain Danny Manning, who's more reverred in Kansas than Self, would be more than up to taking on that job.
I'm sure Coach Self is in for a nice raise... and he's definitely earned it. But for KU to match OSU's rumored offer would be ludicrous. If KU makes the raise appropriate (I'd say $2.5m), and Coach still wants to jump for $3.5m and his alma mater - then go to Stillwell, Mr. Self. This is a job, not an auction.
But I believe the man who thought KU was a "career-ending job" will be with us when the 08-09 season starts. Either way - thanks for last night; it was fabulous!
As a big Kansas fan I take all this talk as an insult.  You DO NOT take steps down from top 5 programs even to your alma mater.  Why doesn't Coach K coach West Point? Ridiculous!  If Self leaves Kansas, assuming he gets a nice raise offer, he is making a HUGE mistake.  Recruiting will always be easier at Kansas than OSU and now add the championship, the great players will flock to Lawrence.  Also I agree with Gordon.  If Self leaves Manning would be a GREAT fit.  It is no coincidence that our big men improved RAPIDLY since his arrival to the bench.  

Rock Chalk Baby!
2008 National Championships!
That is 5 not three.  The two in the 20's count!
How much money is enough?  Good lord what will it take to one person to be happy?  Bill just stay at KU for god's sake
I'd like to see these guys saying Self shouldn't leave turn down an offer at a rival company for 2.5 times their current salary with an added 4 times salary bonus.

I don't think that would happen.
Eventhough I am an OSU fan I hope Bill Self stays at KU where he has a great job and an adminstration that supports him.  He should remember that money is not everything, especially when you already make millions of dollars.  Things have gotten "strange" at OSU ever since Mike Holder became AD.  Sure Holder was a great golf coach but he attitude of "my way or the highway" is hurting OSU's image. He seems to have forgotten that the best way to win is with class.
If Self leaves, maybe Roy should look for a job in Kansas - where CHAMPIONS are made!!!!!
Wouldn't it have been nice if the KU fans could enjoy their National Championship win for more than a few hours before giving us something to worry about?  Self might have deferred those questions for a few days- maybe at least until the team made it back on campus to celebrate with the fans!  Glad we won, throughly enjoyed the games, think he's a good coach and good guy- but sure do get tired of coaches and athletes "cashing out" so quickly.  Wish we could let it all soak in before having to dwell on who's gone next season!    
Kansas and Indiana right behind?  Ok maybe Indiana...  Kansas may not be the winningest college basketball program but it certainly has the richest tradition. PERIOD... UNC and Kentucky can make their claims, but it all leads back to Kansas..
Kansas fans should consider Self as good as gone.He showed his true colors when he ran out on Illinois because Kansas offered more money. Self is a good last name for him because for Bill Self it is always about Bill Self and nothing else.I'll wager $5 right now that after he goes to OSU, he will leave in a couple of years when the "Benjamins" start making their siren call to him again.
I hope Self leaves just to pxxx off all the KU fans.  All you KU fans that say he should stay should think about being in his shoes, you know damn well that if you were offered that kind of a pay raise you would be gone in a second.
Bill Self is going to leave Kansas just like he left Illinois after going on and on about how much he loved Champaign/Urbana and the Illini fans.  
I'm not completely sure who the idoit from the media was that asked the question after the game. But, like I said-what an idiot!!! Let Bill and the team enjoy the moment before putting sometime like that out there. Seriously, shouldn't they be able to enjoy this before thinking about going into the draft or another team. Way to go, you media trolls. You will always find a way to try and spoil the moment for who ever is involved.

Congrats to the Kansas Jayhawks, Bill Self, the entire coaching staff, and the Jayhawk nation.

Self will leave because he is Self-ish.  He talked on and on about how he loved ORU then left.  Then he did the same thing at TU and then at Illinois.  Why would KU be different?
Bill, come home. Yes, Kansas has tradtion, but you know that OSU does as well. Those that would begrudge you the money are the same fans that would have been looking for your scalp had you lost early in the dance. You have earned your stripes with true KU fans (at least my KU friends), so now take the money and help your alma mater. Win, lose or draw, Oklahoma State is like a family, and you and yours, are a great part of that family.
I beg to differ on OSU's future program. The Athletic Village (nothing short of the Olympic Village) 50% of all buildings are new or renovated. The Facilities is second to none. Everything is new and unbelievable. Should you really want to talk educated, then google Oklahoma State, it's Next Level Campaign, Barry Switzer's comments of fearing OSU in the future, cause kids want the nicest facilities. So research before you speak. OSU has had more NCAA Championships (all sports combined) than anyone! Go Pokes
For Bill Self to take boatloads of money and go to Oklahoma State only to be under the thumb and control of T. J Pickens would indeed be foolish.  Bill, that job is not worth it.  If you want to leave Kansas, for your sake and the sake of your family, do not take the job at Oklahoma State.  You can do better than be the slave of Pickens.
I really hope Bill stays at KU. However, if he decides to leave, how about taking a chance on another assistant coach from UNC by the of Jerod Haase?
I agree with The Bear, I attend OSU, it is not the same as it once was.  As for Rod in Bloomington, I don't need to get online to research, I live down the street and am on OSU's campus everyday, you are right that the facilities are great, but at what cost,
a lot of us feel like our athletic programs have been bought and we are not really a part of it anymore and now they want to buy Bill Self away from a school of amazing history in an attempt to alter the tradition here.  Bill should stay where he is, if he is looking for security he is not going to find it in this athletic department, no matter how much money he would receive.  
You lose all credibility when you claim that KU is "behind the big four" programs.  KU is obviously a top 3 or 4 program (check wins, Final Fours, championships, history, tradition, etc. and KU matches up with all of them - and definitely surpasses Duke, East Coast bias aside).  Not a surprise that KU, being where it is and what it is, would be disrespected and downgraded the day after winning a national championship, but I think all real fans know that KU is a top-4 program.
I appreciate this article because, unline the other gazillion articles I have read on this topic, this one actually remembers that the OSU men's basketball program was actually in the Final Four just four years ago, believe it or not. We are not some horrible, has-no-shot team that everyone has been reporting that we are. Bill Self would make a good fit here. At the same time, I almost don't want him to take the job here for his sake. Yes, it's a dream to coach at your alma mater. Yes, that is a LOT of money we are talking about. But is it worth being under the eye of Boone Pickens? I would say no.
Larry Brown left and Kansas kept getting better - Roy Williams left and Kansas kept on getting better so if Bill Self leaves - that's OK. It's the players and the school tradition - not the coach. There are many coaches who will do just as good a job as Bill Self. So if he goes - that's OK - good for him and best of luck.
"Oklahoma State may not be one of the premier programs – Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, UCLA are the fab four, with Kansas and Indiana right behind."  Not in the top four?!?!?!?!  Kansas is third behind UNC and Kentucky for most wins.  Duke is fourth.    


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