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Mike Miller

Mike Miller has been NBCSports.com's college basketball editor since 2003. It's a position he relishes; no wonder considering he transferred to Kansas to watch Paul Pierce play. Most of his favorite sports memories involve college hoops, usually during March, when every waking moment is spent thinking about March Madness.



The greatest college hoops programs (an intro)

Posted: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:24 PM
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It’s easy to spot the best men’s college basketball programs. They have the most wins, NCAA Tournament victories and titles, have thrived recently and send more players to the NBA than any other schools.

You know ‘em: UCLA, Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, Indiana and Duke. Six schools who have rich basketball traditions, devout fan bases and high expectations every season.

The harder part is figuring out which teams come after the stellar six.

How does one compare teams like Temple or Princeton – both of which have fielded teams for more than 100 years and have been consistently good – to schools like UNLV or Memphis, which have dominated foes at times, but haven’t been as consistent or had basketball as long?

No, I didn’t make a bracket, though that would’ve been cool. But I did the next best thing.

Much like Street & Smith did a few years ago, I set up several categories and weighed teams against each other to see exactly how everyone stacked up. Historical success (overall wins and win percentage), NCAA Tournament results (titles, Final Fours, win percentages and appearances), conference titles, NBA players, NIT results and recent performance (dominant seasons and last NCAA tourney miss) were considered.

The results were typical for the top, but the rest was surprising at times. Who’s where? Well, settle in for the summer. I’ll detail the top 25, starting next week. Today, it’s the teams that just missed the top 25.

Marquette and Oklahoma State tied for 26th. The Cowboys’ two NCAA titles and six Final Fours helped, but a poor showing of NBA players and a sub-par win percentage (.5879) hurt them. Going in, I figured they’d be a top 25 school.

The Golden Eagles probably would’ve been in the top 25, but they’ve spent a majority of their 91 seasons as an independent school and didn’t win their first conference title until Dwyane Wade led the way in 2003. Marquette was consistently middle of the pack in most categories.

Western Kentucky was 28th. The Hilltoppers don’t have any NCAA titles, just 1 Final Four and their Big Dance appearances aren’t overwhelming (20), but they win like few others (67 percent of their games in 89 seasons, 7th best) and have an impressive number of conference titles.

Memphis, boosted by its remarkable three-year run, came in at 29. The Tigers also don’t have an NCAA title and haven’t racked up enough wins to break into the top 25. But that recent success helps, and don’t expect John Calipari’s crew to stop winning Conference USA anytime soon.

At 30th, we have Maryland. The Terps are a bit of a puzzle. Gary Williams’ crew was among the game’s best in the early 2000s, winning a title and producing a fair number of NBA players. But a lack of conference titles and just two Final Fours hurts.

After that, Florida (Billy Donovan has turned the Gators into a power), Wisconsin (same goes for Bo Ryan; Badgers just don’t enough NCAA tourney appearances, 14, to rack up numbers to match everyone else) and Penn and Princeton are close behind.

The two Ivy League schools are among the winningest programs around (both have more than 1,500 wins) and plenty of conference titles (Penn has 37, Princeton 28), but they just don’t win enough in the NCAA Tournament and the expected lack of NBA players hurts.

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If you're gonna go through all the trouble, you might as well do a top 50 or top 100.  Believe it or not - there is much interest in who sits where OUTSIDE of a typical top 25 list.  

I understand that you media types find that notion incredulous, but everything does not revolve around Lawrence, Lexington, tobacco road, or Westwood.
Sounds like the weighting is more on historical results than on recent performance.  Should be an interesting list, as most such lists tend to focus on the recent past.
Fair enough, gtmo. I can post a list of the top 100 later this summer. I'll do 25-11, then post the top 90, then do the top 10. Figure on on seeing 26-100 in August.
Can't wait to see whether Psycho T's hard work and will to win can push UNC into that coveted top spot.
Don't waste our/your time. What you are doing is creating a popularity list based on perceptions.

How would you weigh the fact that up until the mid 60s the NIT Tournament was more highly coveted than the NCAA?

How much consideration would you give a power conference team that finishes .500 but lost to the likes of Duke, NC....?

How about other factors such as entry into the HOF? becoming an announcer? intangible contributions such as being the architect behind forming the Big East?  And what about those guys who have been in several places like Pitino?  Do you credit Louisville? Kentucky, Providence? BU?  

Good luck
Psycho T got dealt with against Kansas.  Player of the year??? Probably not.  I wish we could put him up against the big XXII for a season and see the drop in statistics.  
I know all lists are subjective, but how does Maryland rank below Marquette, Western Kentucky, and Memphis all-time when it 1.) has more championships then two of those 2 schools but tied w/the other one at 1, 2.) more NCAA tournament appearances than any of those 3 schools (albeit one less Final 4 appearance than 2 of those schools), and 3.) has sent more players to the NBA than any of those 3 schools?!  Not to mention, 2 probable Hall of Fame coaches in it's history?  Did Miller forget about everything that happened in the school's history prior to 2000?  Maryland was a top notch program during the '70s and early '80s when Lefty Driesell was the head coach and attempting to make UMD the "UCLA of the East."  Gary Williams resurrected the program after the mid '80s- early '90s slide that occurred as a result of the Lenny Bias death, reaching the top in 2002 after 10 straight tournament appearances (a streak that continued through 2004).  One must also consider that UMD has always had the competition of the research triangle schools and the rest of the ACC to contend with, so the lack of conference championships (3, one of which occurred in the '50s; and UMD was the runner up 5 times) can be forgiven.  I don't think UMD ranks top 10 all time, but top 20 or top 25 is not out of the question.  If this list is based on a given program's history, then you can't pick and choose which program's overall history to use to justify your case.  You have to use each school's overall history when making your final decision on where each school stands in your list.  Case in point: "Memphis, boosted by its remarkable three-year run, came in at 29. The Tigers also don’t have an NCAA title and haven’t racked up enough wins to break into the top 25. But that recent success helps, and don’t expect John Calipari’s crew to stop winning Conference USA anytime soon."  Shouldn't their history prior to the past 3 years be taken into consideration?  If it's included, then the Tigers should be No. 30, not UMD.


The Terps trail those three teams in total wins, win percentage, conference titles and NIT performance (except for W. Kentucky). Everything else is pretty much a wash, except for the NCAA titles. If Maryland would've continued its early success from the 2000s, it probably would've been 24th or 25th.
Did you know that Oklahoma State has 17 conference championships?  We have only had 18 players in the NBA which isn't great and we only have 5 in the NBA right now.  I just don't see a 26th ranking being accurate especially with OU being ranked 24 with 1 player in the NBA.  Don't get me wrong OU has had great success the past 25 or so years.  No titles, less conference championships, less NBA players, I just don't get it.  
You're wrong about Marquette and conference titles.  Kevin O'Neill led the last Marquette team known as the Warriors to the Great Midwest Conference Championship over Louisville, Memphis, Cincinatti etc in 1994.  MU also won the 1997 C-USA Conference Tournament.
Thanks for that catch Brian. Marquette did win in '94.


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