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Mike Miller

Mike Miller has been NBCSports.com's college basketball editor since 2003. It's a position he relishes; no wonder considering he transferred to Kansas to watch Paul Pierce play. Most of his favorite sports memories involve college hoops, usually during March, when every waking moment is spent thinking about March Madness.



The greatest programs: No. 25, N.C. State

Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:12 PM
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N.C. State doesn’t lack for hoops history.

The Pack has multiple NCAA Tournament titles, more than 1,500 wins and their 36-game winning streak is among the best in NCAA history.

Prefer your history by years? Only Adolph Rupp’s Kentucky squads won more gameshad a higher win percentage in the 1950s, the 1973-74 squad could be considered the greatest ever, while Jimmy V’s 1983 team pulled off perhaps the biggest upset the Big Dance has ever seen.

The topper? N.C. State started the tradition of cutting down the nets after winning a title. Move over Jim Burt.

In fact, if not for playing in the same conference with North Carolina and Duke, N.C. might rank higher than No. 25 on the list of the greatest college basketball programs. (Click here for the introductory post.) A lack of recent success also hurts the Wolfpack’s overall ranking.

This is a marvelous rundown of N.C. State’s hoops history, starting with the North Carolina A&M Farmers, transitioning to legendary coach Everett Case and continuing up through 2003. There are highs (titles) and lows (NCAA sanctions), but two years stand out: 1974 and 1983.

The legendary 1974 squad, led by Monte Towe, Tom Burleson and the incomparable David Thompson gets plenty of recognition for its dethroning of UCLA – which had won the previous titles – but deserves just as much for its game against Maryland in the ACC Championship.

The Wolfpack’s 103-100 overtime victory is widely credited as one of the main reasons the NCAA Tournament starting giving at-large bids to teams other than the conference tournament champ. The Terps finished the season fourth in AP poll, but couldn’t go to the Big Dance.

N.C. State had to win the game, though. The Wolfpack finished 27-0 the year before, but probation prevented it from taking a chance at the title. Think of a team that went 73-1 in two seasons not having a chance to play for the title. Today, they’d be a No. 1 seed regardless of how the conference tournament ended.

After a classic victory, Thompson and Co. beat Providence and Pitt, avenged an earlier loss to UCLA and ran past Marquette for an NCAA title.

It’s hard to overstate just how impressive that team was, especially Thompson. A high flyer who thrived when the rules didn’t allow the dunk, Thompson was the rare player who transcended produced “ooohs” and “ahhhhs” simply by being on the court. Watch his block of Bill Walton or see Michael Jordan fawn over Thompson’s ability. The guy was amazing.

Maybe more amazing was the 1983 NCAA title.

Valvano’s bunch wasn’t nearly as talented as the 1974 team – or even some of his later teams – and needed a run to the ACC tournament final to help secure an at-large berth. As a 20-10 six seed, the Wolfpack needed double overtime to top Pepperdine, escaped by 1 against third-seeded UNLV and ripped Utah before stunned No. 1 seed and regular season champion Virginia, replete with reigning player of the year Ralph Sampson. After beating Georgia in the Final Four, the Pack amazed every pundit and most fans by beating Houston’s Phi Slamma Jamma squad that featured Clyde Drexler and Akeem Olajuwon.

The famous ending – State tries to work around for the last shot, only to have guard Dereck Whittenburg heave from damn near half court, but Lorenzo Charles grabs the airball and slams it home for a 54-52 victory – is shown every March and rightly so for its dramatic finish and improbable result.

Even now, 25 years later (an excellent collection of video clips can be found here), the win still astounds me. Houston shouldn’t have lost. Virginia shouldn’t have lost. How did a team without any stars, which had lost to Chattanooga in the first round the year before and would miss the tourney the year after, pull off that kind of run? It’s another reason March Madness has grown into what it is today.

Valvano pieced together other capable teams, and reached two more regional finals, but never again captured that kind of magic as the Pack did in ’83. He was fired in 1990 amid allegations of player point shaving and poor player academic performance. The program hasn’t really recovered since.

Herb Sendek has some success in the mid-90s and early 2000s, but struggled to break 20 wins most years and rarely finished higher than third in the ACC. The Pack finished 15-16 last season, the first for new coach and ex-star Sidney Lowe. He has talent on the roster – the Pack still sends a respectable number of players to the NBA – but it won't be easy to return to its former heights.

Next Tuesday: No. 24 on the list of greatest college basketball programs.

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" Only Adolph Rupp’s Kentucky squads won more games in the 1950s,..."

NC State won the most games during the 1950s. Kentucky had the best winning percentage during the decade, but finished fourth in wins because NCAA sanctions canceled their 1953 season.
Referring to the comment above, Valvano was never accused of point shaving...the link itself is evidence of my point.  This is a VERY misleading phrase and tarnishes a great coach.  The NCAA found that Valvano was guilty of nothing.  Some players sold shoes outside his knowledge, but frankly, much worse stuff is uncovered today with NO NCAA actions.
"How did a team without any stars, which had lost to Chattanooga in the first round the year before and would miss the tourney the year after, pull off that kind of run?"

People never seem to give the '83 State team the credit it deserves. It won 10 games--10--against teams that were #1 in the polls at one point in the year. While there were no "stars," the collection of Whittenburg, Lowe and Bailey were a very strong trio of experienced players capable of beating anyone on any night. They would've won more games had Whittenburg not missed a good portion of the year with a broken foot.

Ironically, had he not broken his foot then State probably would've never won the title. They became a better team without him, and a dominant one when he returned.

I think you're shortchanging that Pack at #25. Everette Case was responsible for the birth of the ACC and cutting down the nets. Reynolds Coliseum was the first college basketball palace of the South. David Thompson is arguably the greatest college basketball player of all time. Two national titles and 10 ACC Championships...six more than the next closest team in the league. I'd say the Pack belongs in the top 20, possibly in the top 15.

I'll be eager, let's say, to see which 5-10 programs you consider to be better than N.C. State.
NC State is one of 7 schools with National Championships by more than 1 coach.  Should be higher than 25th in my opinion.
How does being in a conference with Duke and UNC hurt our ranking?  The only thing that should hurt us is the fact that we haven't done ANYTHING since the late 80's, but I don't think that drops a top 10 all time program all the way to 25.  At that point, we were behind only UNC in ACC championships and tied with them in National Championships.  I'm with JamesC... I'm interested to see who is ahead of us.  
This entry goes in a lot of the right directions but misses on various key specifics.

One example is the misunderstanding of the 1983 team that was clearly a Top 10-15 team before Dereck Whittenburg broke his foot in the first half of game vs #1 Virginia when State had a 19 point lead.  Additionally, people don't realize that State played ELEVEN games against teams who had held a Top 5 ranking (and even more in the Top 20) that season - Memphis, Louisville, Houston, UNLV, UNC x3 and UVA x4  Think about that brutal of a schedule!

The following link provides a lot of commentary on that 1983 issue and also provides a lot of other interesting links.

http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2005/04/04/happy-anniversary/

A few bullet points to enhance the 'tradition' section that mentions cutting down the nets:

* NC State also is responsible for the advent of the alley-oop in college basketball as an alternative to get David Thompson the ball near the rim during the era of no dunking.

* NC State has also been one of the driving forces behind a few of the NCAA Tournament's expansions.  

First in the mid 1970s, the Wolfpack's win over highly ranked Marylan in 1974 and the highly-rated Wolfpack's upset at the hands of UNC-CH in 1975 (when Thompson had cramps/injury) sparked the NCAA to expand.

Then, in the early to mid-1980s, NC State's Athletics Director, Willis Casey, led the charge from expansion from 48 teams to 64 teams - effectively creating what March Madness is today.

Again, there's more.  But, I just wanted to get that out there.
When I started putting this list together, I figured State would be higher than 25th, probably more in the 15-20 range given its rich history. But the Pack's recent struggles hurt them too much in these rankings. As to the comment with UNC and Duke hurting them, I meant it cuts down on a team's chances at success to have two programs like that in the same conference: fewer opportunities for league titles, wins, etc. Should there be more weight given to playing in the ACC? Perhaps. But then one has parse every program depending on the perception of that league. Put it this way: If State starts winning games at that same clip it did in the 70s, it'll soar back up the list.
Miller's analysis is spot on. I still disagree with NC State being put behind schools like Notre Dame, Texas, Temple and Oklahoma. Bottom line is those schools have never won national titles nor ever had the kind of teams NC State had when it was at its best.


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