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Mike Miller has been NBCSports.com's college basketball editor since 2003. It's a position he relishes; no wonder considering he transferred to Kansas to watch Paul Pierce play. Most of his favorite sports memories involve college hoops, usually during March, when every waking moment is spent thinking about March Madness.



The greatest programs: No. 14, Illinois

Posted: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:37 PM
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No team on the list of the 25 greatest college basketball programs is underrated. They’ve all been considered an elite team or been consistently good throughout the years.

But some simply get more attention than the others. And some can get outright overlooked.

Which brings us to No. 14 on this list, Illinois.

The Illini are ranked the highest of six teams in this top 25 without an NCAA tournament title (they also have the most Final Four berths among schools without a crown). Also, they stunk last season, which never helps in this age of short-term memory.

Still, this list is recognition of college hoops history that acknowledges success in several areas, not just winning it all. And that sums up the Illini perfectly.

  • Illinois has more wins in school history than Arizona, UConn or Cincinnati and has a better overall win percentage than Arkansas, Villanova and every other Big Ten school. Yes, even better than Indiana and Michigan State.
  • The Illini’s five Final Fours are one behind the Spartans’ six, but Illinois also scores big thanks to 27 NCAA tourney appearances, 17 Big Ten conference titles and a host of NBA players produced (slightly fewer than Duke or St. John’s).
  • Illinois players have been named consensus All-Americans six times and the Illini’s 17 weeks atop the rankings are more than Georgetown or Arkansas.

That kind of résumé is more than enough to land in the top 15. And at some point, it seems likely that Illinois will break through for that long-awaited title.

After all, they’ve been on the cusp several times.

The first frustration – though it wasn’t seen that way at the time – was during the 1942-43 season. At 17-1 and 12-0 in the Big Ten, Illinois would’ve been a lock for an NCAA berth and one of the favorites to win.

Except for one thing. The team’s “Whiz Kids” elected to enlist in World War II rather than play hoops. Would Illinois have won? Perhaps. National champ Wyoming was 31-2 that season, but Illini fans have been wondering about the possibilities ever since.

Under Harry Combes, a legendary Illinois high school coach, the Illini claimed third place in the NCAA tournament in four seasons – twice losing to eventual national champ Kentucky.

They won 316 games in Combes’ 20 seasons, but could never break through.

When the Lou Henson era began in the mid-70s, the Illini always had talented teams, but seemed stuck behind Indiana in the Big Ten (or Purdue, or Michigan State, or Michigan; the Big Ten always featured a multitude of title contenders).

When Henson’s famed ‘Flyin’ Illini’ ” squad ran its way to a 31-4 record and a spot in the 1989 Final Four, that seemed like the Illini’s year. With future NBA players on the roster like Kendall Gill, Nick Anderson, Marcus Liberty and Kenny Battle, Illinois was a blast to watch and a nightmare for opponents.

Yet, it couldn’t get past eventual national champ Michigan in the Final Four (the Wolverines also were loaded with NBA talent in Glen Rice, Loy Vaught, Terry Mills and Sean Higgins).

Henson never reached another Final Four, though he did win enough games to have the street outside Assembly Hall named after him and make a strong case as a Hall of Fame coach.

After solid seasons under Lon Kruger and Bill Self, Illinois again reached the cusp in 2004-05 with its marvelous 37-2 runner-up squad. BillBruce Weber was named coach of the year for taking a team few expected to be this good and turning them into one of the best single-season teams we’ve seen recently.

Behind its three-guard attack of Dee Brown, Luther Head and future NBA star Deron Williams, Weber’s team tied an NCAA mark for wins in a season before losing the title game to a UNC team loaded with NBA talent. Who knew ’89 would repeat itself?

Both teams will be entrenched in Illini fans’ mind for some time. During Illinois’ run to the ’05 title game, people wanted to compare the ’89 team vs. ’05. The toughest part of the comparison? Both talented groups fell short of their goal.

But falling short shouldn’t cause Illinois to be overlooked on a list like this. If anything, the Illini’s stature will only rise when that elusive title does come.

Next Tuesday: No. 13 on the list of greatest programs.

No. 15: Michigan State.

No. 16: Georgetown.

No. 17: Arkansas.

No. 18: Ohio State.

No. 19: St. John's.

No. 20: UNLV.

No. 21: Texas.

No. 22: Notre Dame.

No. 23: Temple.

No. 24: Oklahoma.

No. 25: N.C. State.  

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If this was a rating for the classless fans then Illinois would be #1.

There's no way the Illini should be above Georgetown and Michigan State in greatest programs.
If the Illini are the highest rated team without a tournament title, then Purdue is not on your list.  I figured you'd leave Purdue off, since they often get overlooked.  Though I believe the Boilers to easily be in the top 25, I could understand you leaving them off in a sense, until seeing Illinois on the list.  How do you rate Illinois over the school with the most Big Ten titles and a winning record over every team in the league?

To quote from this post: "Still, this list is recognition of college hoops history that acknowledges success in several areas, not just winning it all. And that sums up the Illini perfectly."  That sums up Purdue as well.
If you can logically explain to me how Illinois beats Michigan State in a side by side comparison I would love to see it. (MSU has multiple titles, not just one fluke)

Not really liking your list that much so far
Mike -- I would think Purdue's lack of Final Fours is what may leave them behind. Illinois has been close to winning it all several times. When was Purdue a threat to win the whole thing?
I think Illinois definitely deserves to be in the top 15-20, but I think Michigan State should probably be slightly ahead of them. As for Purdue, their lack of a Final Four appearance in Keady's tenure is really what kept them off this list.
Chicago Mike - If I'm not mistaken, Purdue only has 2 Final Four appearances (1969 and 1980) while the Illini have 5, including more recent trips in 1989 and 2005.  As for B10 championships, Purdue has 21 versus Illinois' 17, but the Illini have won 4 of the last 10 while the Boilers last title was in 1996.  
Illinois? It's now official - this list has no credibility. If they ever get their first title, maybe they could crack the top 20.
John, Mi - Michigan State had some great championship teams, but until izzo, it was not consistent.  They, though 2004 season were 48th in total wins, Illinois 15th, and percentage wise, Illinois is 12th while Michigan St is not even in the top 50.  
I'm with Jeff. The list has no credibility. #14.... over Michigan St. and Georgetown.... really? I'm about to become a sportswriter, appearantly anyone can do this.

You had to go back to the 1942-43 season to justify this, and they didn't even win. They went to the final four in '89 and then '05, that makes them more consistant than teams that actually won a title? You're saying the bridesmaid is more important to the wedding than the bride. C'mon. Glen Rice is the best player you could name. Did you forget about Ewing and Magic? Were you factoring graduation rates in with this analysis? (I don't know them, but there had to be some reason why you picked Illinois here)

Don't get me wrong, Illinois is a good program, but the fact that you have them #14 when they should maybe be sniffing 20-25 is astounding. Also, putting them in front Michigan St. is insulting, you really should write a written apology to the Spartans.
These rankings seem reasonable, including Illinois @ 14.  Several of you have an opinion Illinois was picked too high...  but thats all you've offered.. an opinion.  Fans typically overweight a teams recent success.  The writer obviously put a lot of thought into this, studied the data, wins, losses, percentages, etc, and after weighting everything, concluded they deserved #14.   He noted Illinois was highest member without a title, but also noted 6 other teams also dont have titles, so that seems fair.  And they do have a relatively high winning percentage which factually fits them into his overall ranking.  Bottom line.. he's offered more than opinion, and his assessment seems reasonable and legit, and based on historical data.

I agree... The writer took great pains to compare historical record data. Illinois is easily the best basketball program to have never won a title, and better than many that did. That said, Go Kentucky Wildcats!!!
The Illini stunk for most of the season last year, but they played very well in the BT tournament, getting to the finals.

That's a good sign of a strong program. A lot of other school's teams (ahem - Indiana) would have packed it in by then.
What a joke. Michigan State has 2 National Titles and Illinois has 0. ESPN came out with a list a few years ago that had MSU #7 which should be where they are at in your rankings. What a joke.

Yes the Illini have 7 more Big Ten Titles than Michigan State...but with 46 more years to accumulate those titles. More specifically since both have been in the conference MSU leads Illinois 10-7 in Big Ten Titles...27 NCAA appearances to 22 for MSU, again the 5 more that Illinois has came before MSU joined the conference when as an independent MSU had little chance of making the NCAA tournament. So basically 2 of the 4 criteria you use to rank them ahead of the Spartans (Conference Titles and NCAA appearances) are a wash when you consider MSU's time in the conference. One other, NBA players produced, is specious at best as you are judging the best college programs, not NBA feeder schools (Illinois 48 NBAer's to MSU's 38 - 12 Illinois players have had NBA careers longer than 5 years, 15 for MSU/15 Illinois players have an NBA career spanning a single season, 9 for MSU). What does that leave? A better overall winning percentage?  Fine, when does winning matter more, regular season or NCAA tournament time? MSU has the 9th highest NCAA winning percentage, Illinois has the 40th. Illinois has an overall winning percentage of .656 vs. NCAA of .576. MSU's are .587 overall and .672 NCAA.  Only 8 teams have appeared in more Final Fours than MSU. 13 teams have appeared in more Final Fours than Illinois. Only 14 teams have won multiple NCAA titles, MSU is one of them Illinois is not.
Does Illinois belong on this list, sure. Do they belong ahead of some teams with multiple NCAA titles (MSU, NC State) or a title and multiple championship game appearances (OSU (1,5), Arkansas (1,2), Georgetown (1,4)) among other bonafides, I'm not so sure.
This is excellent research to place Illinois at #14. I would have placed them higher. Disregarding last year's fluke year, Illinois was in the top 5 nationally for victories the past 5 years including consistent victories over Georgetown and Michigan State. They have top recruiting classes coming in the next two years. Outside of the frustration taken out  on the Indiana program (a program under Sampson that has since been villified by the NCAA), the fans are known as one of the most supportive in the nation. I also commend you for doing your history. I suspect Indiana will be near the top of your list because of the McCracken, Knight eras.  Recent history would put them at the bottom. Good job thus far Mike.
Joe from NYC -- your research seems solid. Nice work. I agree that MSU should be higher than Illinois. Personally, I would've put both G'Town and MSU ahead of Illinois and put the Illini at #16. Not exactly a far cry from #14, so I have no problem with the ranking given by this writer. Illinois has a large, passionate fanbase, and for the most part they're good fans.
Jim, This is about all-time history not just the past 5 years or about "top incoming recruiting classes". I don't see how you can "place(d) them higher". Indiana should be near the top (3 on the all-time title list with 5, last undefeated team, over 1,500 wins, 35 NCAA tourney wins 8 final fours, 10th best NCAA tournament winning percentage). Indiana will more than likely be the 3rd team on this list. They have a resume to support that placement. Illinois doesn't have a very strong case for placement at number 14 on this list.
Furthermore as far as "consistently" beating MSU over the last 5 years...MSU's record against Illinois in that time span is 4-5 (a little deeper...last five meetings MSU 4-1, last 10 meetings, Ill 6-4, last 10 years MSU 11-8). In addition Illinois has had 2 losing seasons in the past 10 to go with their 5 B10 titles...MSU has not had a losing record while winning 4 B10 in the same span.

My point is that Illinois has 178 more wins all-time than MSU (which works out to 1.74 extra wins a year) is that worth more than 1 more final four appearance, and two national championships. I really don't think it does.
Any list is imperfect and subjective. But this seems right to me. Illinois has been a top 15 program for most of their history.  

I am a little surprised Illinois was above Mich St because of the titles difference, but I believe Illinois has a lot more overall wins and a lot more people sent to the NBA.  As a sidenote I cannot for the life of me predict who the remaining 13 teams could be.  I think my best shot leaves a couple short..anyone else wanna guess??  My prediction: 1-UCLA  2-UK  3-UNC  4-Kansas  5-Indiana  6-Duke  7-Louisville  8-Cincinnati  9-Uconn  10-Syracuse  11-Arizona  12-Utah  13-No clue.  I dont know about Utah being somewhere this high either, but I assumed they would already be listed.  If someone like Penn is on this list just because of the amount of all time wins I am going to be a consultant for Mike on All Time College bball programs.
I definitely think Illinois has clearly shown they are one of the top basketball programs.... all they do is win... and win regardless of who they play.  Albeit last year was painful, with the recruiting classes coming in 09 & 10, many of the experts are predicting an Illinois run back to the final four.

As far as if they should be ahead of Izzo's Michigan State team.... I don't know, kind of a toss-up to me, Illinois has traditionally won more games and championships, but Izzo has guided his team to a lot of final fours and won.... I wouldn't have minded at all to see his team ahead of Illinois, but, it is what it is....
I could definitely see the case for puting MSU above UI, but I can also make sense of the Illini's spot;  It depends on what you value.  If we're making a list of the top 25 "Final Four programs" of all-time, MSU would be possibly top 5 and Illinois would struggle to make the top 20.  However, this list has made it very clear that this is about the "all-time" best college basketball programs.  With this taken into consideration, I think you have to put Illinois this high, considering they are without question the best program without a title, they're ahead of many of the programs that I'm sure will be put above them on the list in all-time victories, respective conference titles and all-time winning percentages.  If I were to rank the top 11 programs in the Big Ten alone, it would probably go like this, so I think the choice was a good one.
1. IU
2. UI
3. MSU
4. OSU
5. UM
6. PU
7. Iowa
8. UW
9. Minn.
10. PSU
11. NU
Illinois even appearing on this list is a sham. Two trips to the final four? Wow, I'm impressed! Did you know that the school started calling itself "The Program" at the beginning of the 2007-08 season, claiming they had more wins than anybody else in the past 4 years (which turned out to be false), then promptly missed the tournament with a losing record. The sad part is that, with prime access to the chicago recruits, they should be an elite program. But good basketball players want to win, and they know they can't do that as a member of the Crying Illwhini.
Well, I think with the aquisition of their seventh Final Four in 2009, the Spartans jumped the Illini.  So, I think the new list would have MSU at 14 and us down at 15.  Still, both are top fifteen programs, NO DOUBT and top three in the Big Ten, no doubt.  I don't like people saying Michigan and Ohio State should be above UI because of the Final Fours and championships.  Illinois has more Big Ten titles, all-time wins, they HANDILY lead the all-time series vs. both (100-65 or something vs. OSU and 81-70 vs. UM) and have been consistently a top 15 program in victories for almost every decade.  And a lot of their success (not nearly all) has been recent, which I think is important.  And, more is coming.  Expect the Illini to have maybe even seven Final Fours and a national championship (in program history) in the next five years


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