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Mike Miller

Mike Miller has been NBCSports.com's college basketball editor since 2003. It's a position he relishes; no wonder considering he transferred to Kansas to watch Paul Pierce play. Most of his favorite sports memories involve college hoops, usually during March, when every waking moment is spent thinking about March Madness.



Can't Kansas keep its nose clean?

Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:05 PM
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Trouble keeps finding the defending champs. The last time was an eligibility question.

This time, all it took was a greeting.

Kansas coach Bill Self was in Springfield, Mo. last week to watch highly touted prospect John Wall. Afterward, he reportedly went up to Wall and complimented him on his game.

“I’m not supposed to be talking to you, and you know that, but I just wanted to tell you it was a great win,” according to a report in the Springfield News-Leader.

Self, to his credit, didn’t deny the conversation took place, calling the report “accurate.” He was candid about the incident after the Jayhawks beat Texas A&M on Monday.

“I don’t know if the exact quote is accurate,” Self said. “After the game was over, like I always do, like every coach always does, I had to catch a plane. So I went back to tell the coaches ‘ Congratulations, good win.’ I was approached and shook a hand and said ‘I can’t talk to you, but you played really well.’ ”

Self said if the exchange was a problem, then Kansas’ administration will “deal with it.” Kansas is looking into the report.

The problem with the whole thing stems from the NCAA’s rules surrounding when Self said hello.

Coaches are in a no-contact, evaluation-only period where the rules prohibit “any face-to-face encounter that is prearranged … at the site of organized competition or practice … regardless of whether any conversation occurs.” Basically, no dialogue in excess of a greeting.

Is it a rule violation? Probably, though it’s up to the NCAA. Is it nitpicking? Sure. But is it really cheating?

(This is just months after ex-Jayhawk Darrell Arthur and Kansas dealt with questions about Arthur’s high-school eligibility. Officials investigated if Arthur’s grades were improperly altered, which raised the question if Kansas’ new national title would be forfeited. The issue was dropped, then re-opened in October.)

Keep in mind, Kansas already was on probation.

The school self-reported violations in 2006. The NCAA alleged the school demonstrated a lack of institutional control within its athletic department from 1997 to 2003. In October of 2006, the NCAA placed Kansas on three years’ probation.

The school will likely report Self’s exchange with Wall sometime later this year (probably after the season), but it’s unclear when the NCAA will address the issue. I can’t see anything being resolved before the 2009-10 season begins.

The tricky part will be how tough the NCAA wants to be on Kansas and Self. If it sticks with its usual “rules are rules” stance, more probation is likely to follow. How much the current probation weighs on the decision will be the bigger question. How long can a school stay on probation, anyway?

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This blog seems a little over the top.  Taken at face value, Self encountered the kid without prearrangement, said "good game" (a virtual equivalent for "hello"), and then warned the kid that they could not talk further.  As for the Arthur allegation, there is just no basis to allege Kansas had any knowledge of impropriety.  The previous violations basically before the present administration was in place.  We'll see how the "good game" thing pans out, but the other stuff is just not relevant
nothing will become of this,JUST like nothing became of the Darrell Arthur issue,(which by the way KU had nothing to do with) in regards to any altering or knowledge of altering grades.NCAA clearing house is set up for excately this reason before students even enter college,they found nothing,reported nothing,and of course KU knew nothing.(beating a dead horse with this Arthur issue)

This issue with Wall is a simple greeting,nothing more of a dialouge,which is allowed.Need to read up on your NCAA by laws there Mr.Miller.Could the NCAA slap KU on the wrist for saying "hello",? sure they can surmize anything is a violation and penalize accordingly,will it be serious and affect KU in recruiting and who will want to come and play for KU...??? not in the least..much a do about nothing.

sour grapes,but it is good to be so relavant and envied,all most hated when you are the Champs.The tricky part is finding something relavant in KU major in-fractions that would keep them out of any post-season Basketball play,that hasn't occurred in almost 20 years.ho-hum..

It must be a slow news day; asMr. Miller is no doubt aware, the Springfield News-Leader is hardly impartial as a reporter when Kansas is involved.  Mr. Miller also seems to be holding Kansas to a higher standard (to appear impartial himself?) than, oh let's say USC and O. J. Mayo and Regiie Bush.  It's refreshing that Bill Self was forthright rather than play the deny game that so many coaches and institutions engage in when issues of recruiting violations are alleged.
"more probation is likely to follow". Are you kidding me? You need to get your facts straight. Self has never committed any violations which resulted in probation. Look it up, if you can find the time.
If the NCAA Clearinghouse clears a student-athlete to play, how can the University be held responsible or even implicated when it's discovered that a student-athlete may or may not have legitimately completed a course in high school?
It's not that I think Self cheated. Far from it. It sounded like a perfectly innocent comment.

But it seems like the NCAA's mood varies on these types of things. If it feels like making an example out of Self and Kansas, it will. This isn't Kelvin Sampson's text messaging debacle, but it's also something a rules stickler could dwell on.
Coach Self knows the rules as he allegedly stated when he "greeted" the player, so why did he feel compelled to say anything other than hello?  Is it outright cheating?  I seriously doubt it but he is well aware of the rules and blatantly broke them albeit however minor...still, a rule is a rule and he broke it knowingly.  Did he slip the kid a $100 bill when he shook hands?  I doubt it but it is not fair for him to be glad handing recruits when he knows he's not supposed to.  Besides, he coaches at Kansas...says the Missouri fan.
If nothing is done about this, then simply put, the rule should not exist.  The rule is in place to eliminate one institution from having a recruiting advantage over another institution.  In other words, no other coach was present or made contact with the player, therefore Self and the University of Kansas gained an advantage because this kid probably now believes that Kansas has an interest.  Mr. Self knows the rules and he did not abide by those rules.  Even if the contact is incidental or inadvertent, the rules state that there is to be no contact during this time, period.  I wonder if Bill was clad down in his Jayhawk attire.
I concur with the remark that Craig from PA made...after all, woulod you really expect a Missouri paper to side with a KU coach? And how may times will the Arhtu issue be resurrected?
whoops, bill you knew better and you still did it, why? just leaves the door open for more possible trouble...i am a Illini fan from texas, born and raised in Illinois...still love you for what u accomplished at U of I .. well, you cant send telegrams any more like a certain former Indiana coach used to do...Good luck, Bill. Just watch it from now on, everyone is watching!!!!
The rules allow a greeting. Certainly there is an advantage to showing oneself to a player. Going to see the coach to establish incedental contact is allowed and advantageous. Not doing it may present a disadvantage.

What is a greeting? I guess that has yet to be defined. At midcourt tipoff, we were brought up to shake hands and say good luck. After the game, we shook hands and said good game. those comments weren't conversations. Were they greetings?

When I read products of male bovine defacation about lack of isntitutional control, I simply consider whether the person suggesting that is attempting to become personally relevant in the game of college hoops. To them I say, nice try, you are no more elevant than you have ever been no matter how long your antlers grow.
Hey, a rule is a rule. If coaches are not to have more than inadvertent contact, then enforce the rule. Self was there on purpose, he went to the locker room on purpose. What was his purpose? To show the athlete that he was willing to do what it takes to get him to Kansas, rules or no rules. How is that not a violation? How can that not result in a penalty? He gained an unfair advantage, thats the factor to consider.

G/A/FrickenBk!!! What Coach hasn't run into a RECRUIT
after a game. The KIDs know the BIG schools are going to watch them. Self went into talk to the Coaches. Runs into the KID and that intentional?? NCAA cops more things to be concerned about than a Coach saying HELLO! The prior Mr. Williams I believe rec'd those PENALTIES for KU before he left. Bills been pretty clean at most of his programs. SUCCESFUL programs are always going to be DOGGED out, especially by a writer from MO. Paper no less. KU ALUM
Sounds like Mike can't even comprehend what he writes.

The rules prohibit "any face-to-face encounter that is prearranged"

Prove it was prearranged Mike. Good luck with the NCAA or anyone proving that was the case.  

If it was not prearranged there is no violation.  

Next.



Is this the same NCAA that refers to the kids as "student athletes?"  To cite a famous movie scene:
" Arent we all a part of the same hypocrisy, Senator?"
Hate to be a stickler, but there's a typo in the 3rd paragraph.

"Afterward, he reportedly went up to Wall and complemented him on his game."

It should, of course, be "complImented." I don't care if you publish the comment or not, but someone needs to correct that typo.
Big time serious cheating?  No, certainly not.  But he sure was playing close to the line, and he knew it when he did it.

Going in back, he knew there was a chance of contact with the kid.  There's no doubt in my mind that's exactly why he was there. Just to see the coaches?  Not likely.

As for the question of whether or not he went beyond a "greeting"...  Yeah, he did.  Put yourself in the shoes of the kid.  You're an impressionable teenage athlete who is looking at making some important decisions about your future.  The coach of the defending national champs goes out of his way to make sure that he runs into you after a game.  And he praises your efforts.  You say to yourself "wow, the defending national champ coach went out of his way to praise my play tonight".  Does it help to shape your impressions?  Hell yes it does!

So can he claim that it really just constituted a "greeting"?  Absolutely.  And nobody can prove otherwise.  But I think any rational person can see this for what it really was;  an attempt to walk VERY close to the line.  Shame on him.
are u for real? this is such an obviously bogus attempt to twist your own words that its laughable. You yourself write that NCAA rules prevent "pre-arranged" meetings of any kind with students. Fine, he greets the coaches, the student comes up and says hi. That's not pre-arranged. It would've been discourteous to say anything other than "hi, good game." This is nitpicking on your part, this is pure invention.
Greeting is a relative term?
This article is out of line.

First of all Self's "contact" was not pre-arranged. The player walked up to Self and iniated the exchange. Self handled it well IMO.
Also the grades for Arthur have nothing to do with KU. These were grades he received in high school.

To me the issue of the Arthur allegation, is that if the kid couldn't make grades in high school how was he doing it at a major university?  Surely we're not all so naive to think a sports program wouldn't give the kid a hand?

The thing that reeks about KU's previous infraction when they self-penalized was that they took a scholarship away from the women's program for the men's infraction.  Whether or not it was the current admin and coach the Natl Champs did in fact benefit from this move.

I've got no real issue with any of this as I know they are not alone or likely the biggest offender but KU fans need to quit arguing how squeaky clean the program is.

Bill Self and the KU program seem to understand the system very well.  Do what you want regardless of the rules but report yourself and feign high morality to minimize the penalty.  Don't ask permission, beg forgiveness.  It has served them well in the past, no reason it shouldn't hence forward.
This guy is an idiot, nice article bud.
I would be sincerely surprised if the author of this article spent more than 30 seconds researching it.  Don't worry Mike, most of us "mail it in" at work every once and a while.
This article is a joke. Do a little research on how similar greetings have been treated in the past. "Further probation" is so far-fetched as to be laughable.  
Sorry KU fans, I have to go with Brad and a great insight of the situation. I'd disagree if I were a KU fan, just don't go POSTAL and show your ignorance.
For a guy that wanted to transfer to KU, you'd think a bit more research would've been done in realizing this is a non issue.  The media is always looking to bring the programs with success down.  

Unless of course it's UNC or Duke.  Ridiculous.
One of the keys to this for me is whether Self approached Wall or Wall approached Self. The reporter in Springfield made it seem like Self approached Wall, Self said Wall approached him.

As a Kansas fan, if Wall approached Self, I would be more angry if Self spurned him because of this rule. What a way to make inroads with a recruit, ignore him!

All in all, I like the way Self handled the situation with Wall, how he has handled the questions from the media and how upfront he has been with everything. KU is certainly in good hands in major athletics with Self, Mangino, and Lew Perkins.

I do think it was a little unfair for the author not to mention that the probation stemmed from violations on Roy Williams, Bob Frederick, and Al Bohl's watch. He also failed to mention that the NCAA Clearinghouse deemed Arthur eligible to play. I don't know if these ommissions were intentional or not, but by leaving them out it appears as if you are trying to further build a case of wrongdoings by Self and Perkins.
This article just seems to be skewed or biased against Kansas by the article's title and its tone. Shouldn't there be a counter opinion expressed by this msnbc site to be fair?
this is a joke - right!  Come on - find a real issue
wow.. what a joke..i'm dumber for wasting my time reading this article.. i mean..honestly??
Dear Loren,   Unfortunately the ignorant tend to follow the ignorant.  If you knew anything about the situation you would know the writer of this article did no research just to draw a headline.  You took it hook line and sinker.   The probation occurred before Bill Self took over at Kansas and Kansas served it time.  Bill Self has run a clean program where ever he has been.  The Arthur situation was a post National Basketball Champion dig by a DAllas reporter who paid the teacher(who was fired from the school that Arthur went to for a copy of his personal grade sheet where his reported grade was different from the offical grade sheet. He could of tole the national clearinghouse, but he waited until the time was right and was paid and surprise the personal grade book appeared.  The school later did an investigation and it yeilded no wrong doing.  As for KU part, they depended as all schools do on the NCAA clearinghouse. The NCAA said Arthur was eligible so KU signed him.  There was no wrong doing by KU or Bill Self.  Bill Self went to see the coaches after the Wall game. This is standard procedure from all coaches. He saw Wall said good game and then said he couldn't take with him. Because the NCAA is unpredictable in their punishment, Self reported it. Again the proper thing to do.  It's too bad some people who are in the reporting don't do their homework any more and just go for the headlines.
It's a good thing one of the players didn't sneeze and Self said "God bless you". Then there would have been BIG rules violations!! Doesn't the NCAA have better things to do with their time?
actually a friend of mine was there in missouri and saw the whole situation.  he said bill self began walking up toward a section of the bleachers.  when he was about half way up the stands my friend said the team began walking down the stairs toward self and the young man approached self, they shook hands, had a 5 second conversation, and self continued to make his way over to greet some people in the stands.
The reporter who first reported this story was unable when asked on a KU radio show to confidently say who approached whom.  Irresponsible journalism begets more irresponsible journalism, and while it's not completely your fault you should feel just a little dirty having repeated the claim that Self approached the recruit.
Mike you should lose your job over this aritlce. This is the funniest thing I have ever read. Kansas has done nothing wrong. Would this aritlce be written about UNC and ROY. I doubt it. You are simply a microchosm of the east coast media bias.


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